Thoughts on the female and Victorian society – “being Victorian green” – the females envy of the male and the ‘female envy culture’

Here’s a thought I had:

While reading some accounts from a lady in the 1800’s a theme appeared which I’ve known for some time.  Basically this is that during the Victorian era many females developed a particularly strong envy of the male.  I sometimes jokingly described this as “being Victorian green” (meaning “green with envy”).   This envy seemed to appear quite heavily during the Victorian era, becoming particularly strong by the late 1800’s.  In fact, it has continued past the Victorian era and is as strong now, if not stronger and more prevalent.  I’m often quite stunned at its prevalence.  Everywhere I turn, it seems, I see “Victorian green” in some form or another.  For some girls it dominates their life and determines their point-of-views.  There are some girls who have even made it a way of life.  There appears to be gradations in the ones that it does affect though, ranging from mild to severe.

Overall, though, it has progressed to the point that it can be described as a commonly seen trait of the modern female.  This does not mean that all girls are affected by it but many are, at least in some form or another.  As for the percentages of who display this extensively I cannot say.  But it appears to me that those afflicted by it, to the point that it affects their behaviour, is somewhat extensive and prevalent as I see examples of it too often.

Very few females are aware of the envy.  In fact, I’d be surprised if any would admit to it if they knew.  I have seen a handful of remarks in which they have actually said it though.  But, as a general rule, most females are unaware of it.

In my opinion, being Victorian green” is undermining to the female and degrades them and has caused a general deterioration in the female as a result.  But this is not the point of view of the females that are afflicted with it, who seem to think that it “strengthens and empowers women”, which is not what I see.  I think its more accurate to say that it “deceives and misleads women”.  I see nothing strengthening or empowering in trying to ape the male, particularly as a solution to envy.


The remark that made me think about this referred to how girls were looking at Victorian “male society” , what it was doing, and felt ‘left out’ and resentful, which shows a jealousy and envy.  This is not surprising as the Victorian society is when many things were created and developed, all created by the male.  This is the “male creation” (I wrote an article on this called “Thoughts on the “male creation”” if you’re interested).

In order to understand the significance of the “male creation” one must understand its nature and what caused it.  To begin with, the male and female have totally different characters and character traits.  These different qualities give the male and female different strengths and weaknesses.  It also allows the male abilities, inclinations, and desires the female does not have and vice-versa.  In other words, the different character of the sex’s make it so that they each has “exclusive” abilities,  inclinations,and such, that are unique to its own sex, and in which the other sex does not have.  The other sex may try to ‘imitate’ it but, when they do, it tends to have qualities such as these:

  • It is not developed to any great amount.
  • It lacks depth and tends to be shallow.
  • It lacks ability.
  • It is lacking in effect and use.
  • It tends to lack the ‘meaning’ and ‘value’ of when the original sex does it.

What ends up happening is that it “lacks punch”, so to speak, and ends up being ineffectual.  A good example is when a guy tries to “mother” an infant.  Sure, they could go through the motions but it is horribly ‘lacking’ and ineffective (at least, I’ve never seen one that is effective).  In other words, a person cannot “will” the natural qualities found in the opposite sex.  I speak of this because the “male creation” is primarily a result of male-only qualities that are not seen at all or only in small strength in the female.  These qualities include things like a strong social hierarchy, strong organization, a tendency of looking close at the world, a desire to ‘figure things out’, looking beyond things, a desire and willingness to create big projects, a tendency to take gambles, etc.   Things such as these have been demonstrated repetitively by the male throughout the centuries, and is seldom demonstrated by the female.  One must keep in mind that never in the 5,000 years, or so, of recorded history has the female created anything even coming close to the “male creation”.  From my inquiry there’s practically nothing, in fact.  This is understandable as it does not reflect their character traits.

It was during the Victorian era that the “male creation” became very extensive and powerful.  The females saw all the massive engineering works that were being created.  They saw all the buildings going up.  They saw all the trains and other mechanical inventions.  They saw all the consumer products.  They saw all the discoveries being made.  They saw all these ‘male groups’ and comradery taking place.  And so on and so on.  In effect, the “male creation” was so successful during the Victorian era that it made what the female did look small and insignificant.  For many females this would lead to problems.


The effects of the “male creation” put many females in a dilemma.  Many saw a world appear that they were not a part of or could relate to or even understand why it was there.  In some sense, it was like a foreign world.  This is because they knew that it did not reflect female qualities, which made them feel that they could not relate to it or be a part of it.  Some of the effects this dilemma had on the female include:

  • It made some females feel small and insignificant.
  • It made some females feel squashed.
  • It created something like a ‘culture shock’ . . . the ‘male culture’ clashing with the ‘female culture’.
  • It made some females feel alienated and lost.
  • It robbed some females of their power over the male, as the dominating “male creations” took control over the male.
  • It intimidated some females.
  • It frightened some females.
  • It made some females feel threatened.
  • It made some girls feel ‘left out’ and even abandoned.
  • It made many females angry and bitter and resentful.
  • It made some females feel hatred toward the male.
  • It made some girls grow to hate the femalehood.
  • It made some girls green with envy.

In effect, the ‘femalehood’ had a difficult time holding itself together.  In other words, the “male creation” was more than the ‘femalehood’ could handle.  The ‘femalehood’ simply could not compete.  But, overall, we can see that the effects of “male creations” has many effects on the females.  We could probably say these all encompassed three main reactions:

  1. Feeling ‘abandoned’, ‘left behind’, small, and similar feelings.  It also includes the reactions to these feelings, such as low self-esteem and a poor view of the female.
  2. Feeling threatened, angry, resentful, and frightened over the situation.  These could turn into a general hatred of the male.
  3. Feeling envious, wanting what the male has or to be like a man.

So we see that envy is actually only part of a multitude of reactions to the overpowering effect of the “male creation”.  In fact, many envious females have various gradations of all three I’ve found.  In that way, one could say that the envious female really has all three qualities, in varying proportions.  Keep in mind that not all females became envious.  Many will feel the first or second quality more, depending on the females character.  In fact, it seems that the females character is critical in what path they choose and if they become envious.

One thing that I have found is that an aspect of the female character that seems to particularly make girls really envious seems to be the “knowing” of certain things such as:

  • That they had nothing to do with the “male creation” – a sense of inability of influence.
  • That they know that they could not create anything like the “male creation” themselves – a sense of inability of achievement. 

These feelings of inability make it all the more bitter, it seems.  Since it involves a sense of inability I speak of this as the ‘inability dilemma’.  I’ve found that females that know these things are generally unconscious of it and seem to develop a particularly bad and severe form of envy.  In other words, the females that are often overwhelmed with envy are the ones who have a degree of insight.  That is to say, they can basically see their own inability.  It appears to me that its their sense of inability that instigates the envy.

Some females, deep down, seem to actually be mad at themselves for this inability.  Often, it leads to blame toward the male and society as a result.  In fact, a common trait of the envious females is blaming the male and society for some form of ‘inability’ that they feel they have.  They also complain that they “aren’t allowed” to do certain things or are somehow “not permitted” or “prevented” from doing things.  These are just some of the signs of envy.

All over the world it’s not uncommon for females to become envious of the accomplishments of the males.  In my life I’ve been repetitively stunned how many girls have become envious of what the male can do.  What this often does is make the females develop a quality of always “following” what the male does.  As a result, one of the signs of female envy is that the male must first ‘initiate’ it, then the females follow . . . they are always trying to do what the male has already done!  This reveals how there is a complete lack of initiating or doing things on their own or in going in their own direction.  What it does show is a strong tendency to imitation . . . the manifestation of envy.  This shows that things are not being done for their own sake but for envy’s sake.  It also shows that what they are doing does not reflect themselves, or their own interests, or their own traits.  This is because, in envy, there is a tendency for them to ‘lose themselves’ in the one they are envious of . . . they are trying to be like the guys and to have what they have.  In so doing they lose a grasp of themselves . . . and this is actually what has happened to the modern female.  In the pursuit of envy they have forgotten who they are. 

Its not uncommon for some females to become envious of simple everyday things that males do.  Some examples I’ve seen include physical sports, beards, male comradery, male rough-housing, the male-in-the-world character, the fact that guys can take their shirt off, and such . . . even having a low voice.  Basically, for an envious female practically any “male-only” thing is a target for their envy.

Some of the manifestations of envy include things such as:

  • A feeling of being ‘short changed’.
  • A feeling of not being ‘permitted’ to do things.
  • A feeling of unfairness.
  • Feelings such as resentment and hatred.
  • A tendency to try to be a man or like a man in some way . . . imitation.

These tendencies are all reactions to envy and are ‘symptoms’ of it.  Typically, when a female displays qualities, such as these, it shows she is suffering from envy.  These, though, generally reflect feelings of envy that are personal in nature and directed toward the male and what he does himself.  Perhaps one could call these ‘male-directed envy’?  Typically, they “want what the male can do”.

With the “male creation”, though, there is often another form of envy that sometimes appears.  It is different from the ‘male-directed envy’ because it is an envy of the creation of the males, the “male creation”.  As a result, it tends to not be personal in nature and is not necessarily directed to the male himself.  One could call this ‘creation-directed envy’.  It creates other forms of envy such as:

  • The envy of power.
  • The envy of achievement.
  • The envy of glory.
  • The envy of social prestige.

Typically, ‘creation-directed envy’ makes females want to be part of the “male creation”.  Because of this, it tends to not be ‘personal’ giving it a cold impersonal quality.  Oftentimes, it has a very ‘official’ quality to it and is often ideological in outlook.  In this form of envy, they “want what the male has”.

I’ve found that, in both forms of envy, one can take the different forms of manifestations of the envy and put them into two groups:

  1. They try to be men and imitate them.
  2. They complain about not being like men

Practically all the envy, that I’ve seen, seem to be variations of these in one way or another.  I’ve also found that when either one of these are being done with great ‘zest’ it generally means that you’re dealing with an very envious female.  In both cases, its really nothing but different variations of envy, as if saying “it’s not fair I’m not a man or that I don’t that have what the male has”.  Variations of these themes are common in “being Victorian green”.

Other common traits of an envious female are things such as:

  • They look at themselves as ‘victims’ of the male (really, they are victims of their own envy).
  • They resent the male (basically, this is envy).
  • They look down on female things (being envious of the male, female things look insignificant).
  • They turn things into a male versus female situation (this shows their envy).
  • If the female does happen to do something better than the male they gloat over it and glorify it (this is because it “satisfies” their envy).
  • They claim the female is ‘superior’ to the male (reflecting their low self-esteem).

Once a female has envy, and struggles with it, there seem to be two reactions:

  1. Active envy – those who follow their feelings of envy.
  2. Passive envy – those battling against the feeling of envy.

The active envy is characterized by an active effort to satisfy the envy.  They generally entail these things:

  • The attempt at trying to be a man.
  • The attempt at trying to imitate the “male creation” in some way.

The passive envy is characterized by efforts to deal with the adverse effects of what envy does to them.  In this way, they are as if ‘burdened’ by envy and do attempts at somehow ‘ridding’ themselves of the envy.  This often creates bad feelings about themselves which they struggle with.  In some cases, it can turn into a mental illness.  Manifestations of passive envy include:

  • They battle poor views of the female.
  • They develop and battle low self-esteem.
  • They feel they are a victim in some way.
  • They use blame and accusation as a way to ward off their envy.
  • In some cases, they glorify and exalt the female as if to battle their poor views of themselves.

Sometimes the active and passive envy appears in the same person.  Sometimes its one or the other.  It all varies with the female.


I often feel that this envy has gone on so long and gotten so bad and out-of-control that it is actually starting a whole way of looking at life.  In other words, the extensiveness of the envy has become so bad that it has created a whole new way of life:  the ‘female envy culture’.  They basically have made a way of life out of this envy.  To me, this is a defining trait of many modern American females.

But being envious too long is not a good or healthy thing, and this is exactly what the ‘female envy culture’ has done.  It has caused many problems for females and seems to be destroying them.

Over the years, though, there has developed much to disguise and hide this envy.  In fact, one of the traits of the ‘female envy culture’ is that it has developed many ways and means to “cover up” their envy, and to make it appear as something else.   One of these, that is used quite extensively, is the use and abuse of politics and law (see “hiding the green” below).

But, regardless of their attempts at “covering up” their envy, its negative effects still continue, usually affecting them deep down and unconsciously.  Some of the negative effects of the ‘female envy culture’ include things such as:

  • The envy “eats” at many females.  Many end up living a life of bitterness and resentment.
  • The envy makes them forget themselves and who/what they are (it causes alienation).
  • Deep down, they grow to hate themselves and who they are.  This can often appear as a self-glorification, as well, which is a way they hide their inner hatred of themselves.
  • It has caused a lot of self-deception and self-delusion.

In effect, the ‘female envy culture’ is a contributing factor in the increasing alienation and dehumanization of the modern female and has caused a deterioration in the femalehood. 


One of the things that has helped this envy to get out of control, and become a long-standing ‘female envy culture’, is political and legal theory, particularly points of view originating in England.  These have been used to such an extent that they have become heavily abused, distorted, and manipulated. 

It has created a number of conditions in regard to the envy, such as:

  • It has allowed the envy to continue and prosper.
  • It “seems” to justify the envy.
  • It gives the illusion at a “solution” to the envy.

The political/legal face:  “Hiding the green”

In many ways, political/legal theory gave another face to the envy, disguising its envious origins, making it appear as other things, generally making it appear as something legitimate.  Often, this ‘new face’ appears convincing but, on closer examination, one can often see that it is nothing but a front for envious feelings.  I speak of this as “hiding the green”.  Despite this, political/legal theory has given the envious females powerful means to achieve her ends.  In fact, it’s about the only means.  As a result, a common trait of the envious female is the extensive use, and abuse, of political/legal theory.  Many will ‘whip it out’ like a weapon and as a way to get what they want.  Because of this, it’s not uncommon for them to practically worship these theories.


British political mentality has given the envious female an avenue in an unusual and odd way.  Basically, they turned their envious situation so that it “matches” political theory.  In so doing, they sort of distorted the whole problem and issue, making it out as something it is not.  In fact, it so distorts it that it can be difficult to see the envy behind it.

The political theory that they used extensively amounts to this familiar political line of thought:

The people in power “oppress” the little people who have no power.  As a result, the little people have to fight for their “freedom”.  This is  perceived as some great and righteous cause.

This line of thought is a common one in England since the Norman Invasion and has been overused to the point of nausea.  I needn’t tell you that, in this line of thought, the males are the ‘people in power’ and the females are the ‘little people’.  That’s right, the male oppresses the female by preventing them from being like the males and taking part in the “male creation”, more or less.  Because of this, the envious females style themselves as fighting for their “freedom”, basically so they can be like men and, in turn, satisfy their secret envy.

Many females have convinced themselves, and others, that this is the situation . . . the explanation has worked too well because it appears to be justified by politics (and law).  This has become particularly true during the cold war when these ideas of ‘oppression’, ‘freedom’, and so on, were practically worshipped.  As a result, during this time, the political theory became particularly effective and many females used it to their advantage.  They took the part of the ‘oppressed’, fighting for their ‘freedom’, in that political line of thought.  A lot of people believed them and still do.


Closely allied with the British political theory is law.  This is not surprising as it is law that justifies political theory.  Naturally, it would be used, and abused, quite extensively as well.

The legal themes that often appear include things such as:

  • Entitlement.  They are basically “entitled to be men and be treated like men”.
  • Abused and victimized.  They are basically “abused and victimized because they are not like men and do not participate in the “male creation” they so envy”.

Generally, almost all use of the law they abuse seems to entail one, or both, of these themes, at least in some way or another.  Many females have used these themes extensively to get their way and “allow” them to be a part of the “male creation” in order to satisfy their envy.

Because it is ‘legal’ the males have had “no choice” but to comply.  In fact, the use or, rather, abuse of the authority of law appears to of been the only “convincing argument” that has allowed any justification for the female to be part of the “male creation”.  Because of this it has been used to death.  As many of us males know, we have to ‘accept’ the female, whether we want to or not, because the legal system says we have to, not because they are the best people to choose from.  When I’ve talked to males honestly about this I’ve found that most guys view the female in the “male creation” as destructive and disruptive but it’s all kept hush-hush.  Few will openly admit to that . . . for political/legal reasons.  In other words, there’s a “silent murmuring” that no one knows about, that no one dares to talk about it, all involving the abuse of politics and law to satisfy the envy of the female.


The U.S., in particular, has glorified ability.  It thinks ability is everything.  A good example is how many Americans think a degree means they can do things, as if they automatically makes you an Einstein or a Henry Ford.  The problem with this line of thought is that it often takes more than ability for many things to happen in life.  I think many of us know that from personal experience.  Things like personality, who you know, charisma, and such can be more important than any ability, and often are.  A lot of people, for example, have great ability, education, experience, etc. but yet few are an Isaac Newton.  But there still persists this idea that ability is what everything is about.  Because of this, there is an illusion about ability, that it is far more powerful than it really is . . . ability is not the “key” to things as it may seem.  Its for this reason that I call this tendency the ‘ability illusion’.

Because the U.S. caters to this belief about ability many envious females have found that they can use the ‘ability illusion’ to “proove” their point and satisfy their envy.  In other words, they use any success at ability to ‘justify’ their envious desires.  In many ways, its just another form of abuse and manipulation, such as was done with politics and law.

Basically, if any envious female can do anything a man can do, or any malish thing for that matter, it is used to “justify” that they are a man.  I’ve seen many females seem to think that this all-of-a-sudden makes them “the same” as the male.  But that’s just an ability.  Many of us guys, who aren’t suffering from feelings of envy, know that just because we can do things as good or better than a female, that doesn’t make us a female.  Envy, though, tends to distort the perception of this situation.  In other words, another sign of the envy in the female is that they often think that if they can do an ability as good as or better than a man, then it is used to “justify” that they are “the same” as a man.  In short, they think that ability makes them men.  Ability, though, is just an act a person does.  It does not turn a person into someone else.  Many envious females tend to not realize this.


One of the problems with envy is that its “satisfaction” does not cure the envy.  What this means is that many females are pursuing a path that will not “solve” their envious feelings.  In fact, it will only make it worse, particularly if they have some success.  To date, I’ve never seen an envious female “resolve” her envy by any of the means they use.  The only time a female seems to “resolve” her envy, at least from my experience, is when she ceases being envious and accepts who she is.  This usually entails ceasing trying to be a man and a moving away from the “male creation”.   This shows how the persistence of the path of envy, and the seeking to be part of the “male creation”, tends to be a dead-end road.

Not only that, the envious females are not doing what they think they are doing . . . that is, being like men.   The fact is that in all their attempts to ape the male most of what the female does amounts to standing on the shoulders of the male.  If they do anything ‘dramatic’ then it usually means that they are standing on the shoulders of the male and ‘taking the next logical step’.  This is not surprising as the envious female is only trying to ‘ape’ or imitate the male.  Remember, its all envy, trying to imitate someone they aren’t.  This is why it is all nothing but a standing on the males shoulders . . . using the system the males created, the techniques the males created, the philosophy the male created, the organization the male created, the traditions the male created, and so on.  Females, on their own, have never created stuff like this ever in the history of the world, at least that was significant.  If they could, we would have seen them at least somewhere in the world, which we haven’t . . . they just don’t have the character.  And so, their expectations of achieving the “male achievement” is actually never satisfied eitherDespite all their attempts at being like a man and being part of the “male creation”, they are, in the end, only aping him.  This is part of why this degrades the female and why, in the end, it undermines them.

In the end, its all sort of a failure . . . a failure no one wants to admit to, or see.  In a way, its become a big game of deception, a grand illusion.

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